Saturday, June 20, 2009

Continuing the Iran discussion.

The following is a response that the Blogger had attempted to post in response to the most recent comment from "DMA" in an ongoing conversation on the Iran protests and its political ramifications domestically and internationally, and other matters about which neither party has expertise or insight.

Do you mean the first "I" in "situation"?

Anyway, let's take a step back from the goings-on in Iran and consider the political positioning that is going on domestically: the GOP is -- as is to be expected -- attempting to capitalize on our visceral reaction to the repugnance of the absurdly titled "Supreme Leader" and regime. Particularly before the SL's Friday speech, which threatened the protesters with violent government retribution, the line was: "Well, Obama needs to stand up more for the people," etc.

Now, this is a familiar dynamic: Obama's initial expressed reaction, as you and I discussed previously, was in fact pitch-perfect. Not because it somehow eschewed expressing solidarity with the protesters' cause, but because it honored their cause, in its independence, the fact that it is rooted within Iranian society and not imposed (or 'rigged') by external ideological forces and because a more robust reaction would have ham-fistedly undermined the expressed purpose and function of his massively successful Cairo speech. Which, by the way, almost certainly had a galvanizing effect on the Iranians' perceptions of their own capacity for self-assertion and self-governance from within.

The Republicans, by contrast, wanted to come across as "heroes" of freedom and democracy, replicating -- as is to be expected -- the tenor and rhetoric of the Cold War and applying it to a situation to which it is inapplicable. Specifically, the posture that McCain would advocate that the president adopt is to in essence underestimate and misconstrue the very autonomy that the protesters are expressing in their demand for political and social emancipation. McCain's and Company's is the old-fashioned, patting-ourselves-on-the-back version of international policy, in which we appropriate the courage and hard work of movements in other countries -- even educated ones like Iran -- and decide that it's suddenly all about the United States. That the United States should somehow be in the spotlight, in essence, playing the tough guy and speaking on behalf of those who know perfectly well how to speak for themselves. The GOP, as always, embodies the seediest combination of paternalism, braggadocio, myopia and ignorance of historicity.

Part of your post, DMA, reminds me of why the Republicans are so willing to display these traits, flaws and all:

I saw in the paper today the Supreme Allah-Prophet Douchebag Over-Religious Cocksucking Bearded Motherfucking Shi'ite Jizz-Guzzling Leader said something threatening a crackdown on the protests.

I'm not singling DMA out, because this formulation could as easily have been my own -- well, minus the weird anti-Islam slurs and probably without the knock against beards, which I find to be a perfectly acceptable and at times exceedingly tasteful fashion as regards facial hair...

Anyway, the point is that Americans are right to experience seething rage against something or someone on the international scene who is perpetrating injustice. However, when we are in John Wayne mode, we're not always doing our best thinking. And I don't mean this in the way it might seem: I'm not suggesting that it is problematic for us to feel pangs of moral indignation. Quite the opposite: I think that the kind of thinking that this reaction beclouds is precisely our moral thinking.

In what ways? For one thing, we'll often end up feeling moral outrage vicariously and as though on behalf of a foreign population. In other words, we'll start seething so much against the foreign despot that we forget entirely about the REAL cause for celebration, which is the courage of the protesters. In essence, we let our hatred for the despot occlude the actual stars of the show altogether. This is more than simply hazy moral thinking. This kind of myopia in American discourse lies at the root of the most appalling and immoral actions our government has perpetrated in its interactions with the international world.

For example: think about Iraq. We had to make Saddam Hussein into our enemy. That he was an enemy to his own people was pure afterthought (and anyway, implicates the USA for having installed him and armed him in the first place). Anybody who thinks otherwise should ask himself: how many Americans have died in Iraq since the beginning of the war? I bet you have a rough estimate in your head. For the record, it turns out that the current number is 4,316, each and every one a tragedy. Now, ask yourself: how many Iraqis have died in the war? Admit it: you have no idea. I sure don't. In contradistinction to its familiarity with the American death toll figure, even Google News is apparently stumped by the Iraqi death toll question. Still think the Iraq War is all about the Iraqi people? To point out that most Iraqis are better off now than under Saddam is a spineless and patronizing evasion of the question.

Now, having said all of this, I think that after Friday's demagogic speech on the part of the "SL," it's probably a brand new situation that is poised to get really ugly really quickly. If the logic of the punditocracy is sound (a big if), the whole idea of negotiating over the nuclear program is basically off the table now, one way or the other, and, according to this thinking, Obama is apparently already transitioning to his, as it were, liberation theology mode, wherein celebrating the cause of the protesters and exposing as much as possible the thug-like brutality of the authoritarian regime are the orders of the day. Could be interesting.

10 comments:

DMA said...

No as in the I in "Iran" "Eye-ran"

Gypsy Sun and Togetherness said...

Would calling a GOP "Brownshirt" a 'Jizz-Guzzling, Over religious, Jesus-Loving, Fat, Bald, racist piece of shit' be out of your realm of taste?

. . .and perhaps be equally anti-Christian?

cft said...

calling a GOP "Brownshirt" a 'Jizz-Guzzling,

Well, I think using the expression "Brownshirt" in reference to non-racists with whom I happen to disagree is definitely not tasteful. Doesn't mean I wouldn't say such things, however, if I were pissed off. But I already admitted that I have no basis for judging you for your comments, so I just went straight to giving you a hard time, which is more fun anyway.

Over religious, Jesus-Loving, Fat, Bald, racist piece of shit'

This kind of thing, however, I find perfectly tasteful if it's basically true. I mean, "fat" really isn't usually on-topic, and it's probably not the best thing to go around calling people (or imagined amorphous masses of people). But you'll never catch me calling anyone fat who isn't both fat AND AN ASSHOLE. Which maybe doesn't justify it, but, for what it's worth, I'm the last person to go after somebody for being fat if s/he's a nice person.

. . .and perhaps be equally anti-Christian?

There's an important distinction here, I think: there's a difference between religion and religionism. The species of "religious fundamentalism" that is most prominent in the United States identifies itself with Christianity, but the association is, as far as I'm concerned, stops there. Therefore, calling out the Pat Robertsons and other evil con-artists and political hacks on their shit is in no way anti-Christian.

The parallel "fundamentalism" prominent in the Middle East is, of course, nominally Islamic. But, like Southern Christian fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism -- which is sometimes called Islamism -- is not historically rooted in the religion of Islam itself, but, rather, takes the form of a host of political movements of shockingly recent vintage. Just like the James Dobsons of the USA, Islamism consists of a bunch of con-artists and opportunists ripping off hopelessly poor uneducated masses.

I characterized your Islam references as "slurs" not because you were taking the Supreme Leader to task, which I consider to be 100% fair game, being that he and his regime is as con-artist as it gets. To the contrary, my observation was that your characterization did not distinguish between the "clerics" of the criminal Iranian regime and Islam writ large. Specifically, the "Allah" reference. I mean, it doesn't offend me, but it definitely by its very nature refers to Islam itself.

cft said...

No as in the I in "Iran" "Eye-ran"

Oh, that explains it. Thanks for clarifying this. And here, I'd thought you'd meant the first I in "situation"... I mean: what could I have been thinking??

Geesh, how embarrassing.

Gypsy Sun and (enter your word here) said...

Really, I was going for a Bill Hicks-esque mini-rant-description. All the words proceeding the "leader" we're meant as descriptors, some accurate - ("Shi'ite"), I wanted to make my satarized "official" name as long as possible for maximum comedic effect - ("allah-prophet") kind of an inaccurate term, but again meant to make that satarized title longer - ("jizz-guzzling" "cocksucking") okay those are low blows and most certainly INACCURATE, but necessary for heightened snicker-inducing effect - ("over-religious") that depends on the eye of the beholder.

Okay so, it was meant to be satire (and I know you weren't trying to attack me, but this is kind of fun), but perhaps your point was that this satire does a disservice to engaging in any clear-headed discussion about a very important event that is unfolding.

Gypsy Sun and (enter your word here) said...

Really, I was going for a Bill Hicks-esque mini-rant-description. All the words proceeding the "leader" we're meant as descriptors, some accurate - ("Shi'ite"), I wanted to make my satarized "official" name as long as possible for maximum comedic effect - ("allah-prophet") kind of an inaccurate term, but again meant to make that satarized title longer - ("jizz-guzzling" "cocksucking") okay those are low blows and most certainly INACCURATE, but necessary for heightened snicker-inducing effect - ("over-religious") that depends on the eye of the beholder.

Okay so, it was meant to be satire (and I know you weren't trying to attack me, but this is kind of fun), but perhaps your point was that this satire does a disservice to engaging in any clear-headed discussion about a very important event that is unfolding.

cft said...

Sure, but I'll have to annoyingly maintain that I didn't intend to argue that your comments perform any kind of "disservice" to anyone. And I don't claim for myself any reverence for "clear-headed discussion." In fact, I'm not even sure that I would be able to recognize "clear-headed discussion" if it was staring me in the face.

It might seem like an insignificant distinction, but what I meant was simply to point out how easily the kinds of comments you and I might make -- and, again, I'm a Free Speech Fundamentalist: I see all uses of language as inherently contextual and I detest 'speech codes' or political correctness in any form -- can be understood differently by people who have differing sets of assumptions or whose thinking about an issue is less reflective.

I consider no language to be 'off limits', and only rarely do I deem it to be distasteful. I am interested, though, in the way people talk, especially because of the existence of unspoken rules about speech: it's interesting to see how people work their way around the restrictions. But, the things I find offensive or dishonest about -- say -- Bill O'Reilly are his ideas and assumptions, not his language.

In his hands, a rant about, say, "Allah-praising extremists" does indeed convey racial animus, religious bigotry, and -- most offensively -- a fundamentally dishonest conflation of Islam with Islamism.

I'm not really sure that I would want O'Reilly to stop doing this, nor am I sure that the world would be a better place if his show were taken off the air. That's because I see him as a mouthpiece for a spectrum of political and cultural tendencies that actually exist out there in the world, and among unfortunate numbers of people in this country. The problem as I see it is that these folks are uneducated and are mired in all sorts of resentments and tortured self-justifications.

O'Reilly's job is to capture these negative energies and feelings of bitterness toward the present and future -- as contrasted with nostalgia for a past that never existed, but which is the only thing that feels familiar in a changing world -- and channel them into various forms of spectacle. A word that is somewhat over my head for the payback received by his viewers would be: catharsis.

While it seems that the directions in which he points these folks politically are toxic as hell -- for example: cheerleading on behalf of waging the neoconservative Iraq War -- I wonder if, maybe, it's better for O'Reilly to be channeling these energies than it would be for, say, some really, really extreme-right political figure to do so?

Gypsy Sun and Rainbows said...

"While it seems that the directions in which he points these folks politically are toxic as hell -- for example: cheerleading on behalf of waging the neoconservative Iraq War -- I wonder if, maybe, it's better for O'Reilly to be channeling these energies than it would be for, say, some really, really extreme-right political figure to do so?"

Wow, that's a good point. Perhaps to put it in another way, it's kind of like ultra-violent video games (theoretically; I haven't read the literature on the matter), that kids with violent tendencies may get their aggressive rocks off blowing video simulants to bloody smithereens rather than blowing real people to bloody smithereens.

For cheeto-munching, boob-tube glued conservatives (here we go again), watching Bill can feed them their daily diet of righteous indignation (umbrage?) in the privacy and comfortability of their own home, rather then having some firebrand, militia leader leading them into armed insurrection against Obama, the US Government and Obama supporters, only to promulgate The Christian States of America, in which jazz music and the act of cunnilingus are banned.

cft said...

"...only to promulgate The Christian States of America, in which jazz music and the act of cunnilingus are banned."

Ha ha ha! Part of what's funny about that is that it would indeed be cunnilingus and not fellatio, as religious extremists of all stripes hate all forms of pleasure, but especially sexual pleasure, and especially FEMALE sexual pleasure. As though allowing women to get off represents the first step in unleashing the devilish horrors of female emancipation!

As for O'Reilly, for some reason it also occurs to me that the logic I applied (like probably all forms of logic) can be taken too far. An example of this -- and, I mean, I realize that at the end of the day O'Reilly is just a talk show host -- would be Hitler, whose political ascendancy a lot of 'reasonable' Germans tolerated with justifications than ran along lines similar to my O'Reilly example.

Like many people saw the growing crisis of Weimar as a kind of choice between Nazism and Bolshevism, and it's unsurprising that the bourgeoisie saw Nazism, the one of the two that would allow them theoretically to hold on to their private property, as the preferable option. And, you know, a lot of the elites, industrialists and conservatives were telling one another, OK, let's just tolerate this nutjob for as long as it takes to rid Germany of Bolshevism, and then we'll get rid of him.

It's interesting, actually, to note that -- as I recall having read somewhere -- in the final more-or-less 'real' election in which the Nazis appeared on the ballot alongside other choices, the support among the bourgeoisie for Hitler exceeded considerably the support among the proletariat.

Gypsy Son and Daughter said...

To add to that:
I think the Nazi's did their best to cowtow to any interest who could bolster their power and Germany's military power. The industrial bourgeoisie were quite necassary as political supporters and friends as they obviously were instrumental in running a war effort. At the same time, I believe there are examples of the Nazi's trying to cozy up with workers and labor unions. They were just very corrupt and had their eyes set on a quite specific set of goals, and would lie, cheat, two-time their way forward, often promising two opposing groups concessions at odds with one another - and if these things did not work they were not afraid to use brute force.